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| 09:23 |
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aditsu |
hmm, for code generation there's also CodeModel - https://javaee.github.io/jaxb-codemodel/ (apparently used by JAXB) - but there's not much documentation for it, except some blog posts by various people |
| 09:27 |
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aditsu |
there are various other projects too |
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| 13:20 |
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pdurbin |
Why are you wanting to generate code again? What problem are you trying to solve? |
| 13:21 |
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aditsu |
pdurbin: write a library for OpenDocument files (especially spreadsheets) |
| 13:21 |
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aditsu |
I think it's better to generate code to model the schema instead of doing it by hand |
| 13:23 |
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aditsu |
I think javapoet is fine (with a couple small modifications) |
| 13:23 |
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pdurbin |
Are OpenDocument files popular? Is it a popular file format? |
| 13:24 |
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aditsu |
generally.. not too popular I guess, but they're very popular with me :) |
| 13:24 |
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pdurbin |
I'm looking at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDocument |
| 13:25 |
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aditsu |
there is a "Response" section |
| 13:25 |
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aditsu |
and Adoption |
| 13:26 |
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aditsu |
NATO with its 26 members uses ODF as a mandatory standard for all members. |
| 13:27 |
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aditsu |
UK government too |
| 13:27 |
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pdurbin |
But why spreadsheets and not CSV files and code? |
| 13:29 |
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aditsu |
because I write things in spreadsheets, using LibreOffice |
| 13:32 |
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pdurbin |
Ok, I use Google Spreadsheets. But just to store data, generally. I don't use a lot of formulas. |
| 13:32 |
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aditsu |
also sometimes I get spreadsheets with data that I need to process (although they're always in excel format) |
| 13:33 |
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aditsu |
I use (simple) formulas, and formatting |
| 13:33 |
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pdurbin |
sure |
| 13:34 |
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aditsu |
oh, I also need to generate spreadsheets (but again, in excel format) |
| 13:38 |
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aditsu |
but I want my spreadsheet library to support OpenDocument too (and for that purpose, I want to write a library for OpenDocument, as I don't like the existing ones) |
| 13:42 |
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aditsu |
I also use Google Sheets, but only when I want to share info with others or want to access them on my phone too |
| 13:42 |
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aditsu |
my library could support Google Sheets too :) |
| 13:43 |
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aditsu |
but I haven't really looked into it yet |
| 14:22 |
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pdurbin |
I don't have Excel installed on the iMac we just bought. It comes with something called "Numbers" that doesn't export to OpenDocument format. It exports to PDF, Excel, CSV, and "Numbers '09". I just feel like this OpenDocument format isn't very popular. |
| 14:23 |
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pdurbin |
And yet I agree that spreadsheets are useful, generally. |
| 14:23 |
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aditsu |
I couldn't care less about apple products |
| 14:23 |
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aditsu |
anyway, you should install LibreOffice |
| 14:25 |
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aditsu |
I also agree, OpenDocument isn't popular enough, because of microsoft's historical dominance |
| 14:25 |
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pdurbin |
I'm trying not to junk up this new iMac with too many programs. I did install Firefox, Chrome, and a little app to make our scanner work. |
| 14:25 |
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pdurbin |
In a moment of weakness I installed the Twitter app. :) |
| 14:26 |
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aditsu |
(but I think it should be) |
| 14:32 |
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pdurbin |
I guess you could say my strategy has been to avoid all spreadsheet formats and simply using the lowest common denominator, CSV or TSV. |
| 14:33 |
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aditsu |
if you can live with the lowest common features, I guess that's fine :p |
| 14:37 |
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pdurbin |
I'm typing from a text-based IRC client I opened after ssh'ing into a server. I'm fine with the lowest common denominator. :) |
| 14:38 |
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aditsu |
yikes |
| 14:40 |
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aditsu |
I wonder what's the point in getting a mac then.. sounds like a raspberry pi would do just fine |
| 14:44 |
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pdurbin |
It's the family computer. It's in the kitchen. Our 6th grader does homework on it. |
| 14:46 |
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aditsu |
so your kid has greater needs than you :) |
| 14:46 |
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aditsu |
I think the Raspberry Pi was actually made mainly for educational purposes.. |
| 14:48 |
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pdurbin |
I was showing the kids how to make some simple formulas in Google Spreadsheets the other day. I do want them to know how to use spreadsheet programs. |
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aditsu |
so much for lowest common denominator :p |
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pdurbin |
I don't see a need to teach them about OpenDocument formats. I can just explain CSV and TSV some day for compatibility. |
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aditsu |
but do you see a need to teach them about ms office formats (old and new)? |
| 14:52 |
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pdurbin |
It looks like Google Spreadsheets can export to OpenDocument format (.ods). I've never exported to this format before. |
| 14:52 |
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aditsu |
sure it can |
| 14:53 |
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pdurbin |
I'm not sure if we'll install Word, Excel, and PowerPoint on this iMac or not. The 6th grader is required by the school to use Google Docs and Google Spreadsheets and Google Slides. |
| 14:56 |
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aditsu |
it's a new world, eh? :) |
| 14:57 |
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pdurbin |
a cloudy world |
| 14:57 |
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pdurbin |
It sort of makes sense. I can't imagine requiring all parents to purchase Word, Excel, and PowerPoint. |
| 14:58 |
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aditsu |
that's why everybody should use LibreOffice :) and ideally OpenDocument formats, although LO can also handle the ms formats |
| 15:00 |
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pdurbin |
Well, the kids collaborate on docs and slides. It's nice that they don't have to email files around. They don't even have email. |
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aditsu |
doesn't the Google account come with Gmail? |
| 15:03 |
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pdurbin |
Sure, but email isn't enabled. And who wants to email slides back and forth with collaborators? It's better to have it centralized. Emailing around OpenDocument format or any format would be a worse user experience. |
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aditsu |
sure, I was just asking about email in general |
| 15:06 |
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aditsu |
as for documents, I have privacy and reliability concerns about this "cloud" stuff (I hate the term), but I agree it's very convenient when those concerns don't apply |
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pdurbin |
These are just slides kids made about rainforests or whatever. |
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pdurbin |
It might be nice to encourage kids to download their work at the end in a non-proprietary format. |
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pdurbin |
I don't love the word "cloud" either but the game has changed. |
| 15:21 |
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pdurbin |
Huh. ".odg and .fodg for graphics". From the Wikipedia page. I wonder what that's about. |
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aditsu |
I'm not sure what are those ".f*" formats, as for odg, it's for diagrams and stuff |
| 15:24 |
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aditsu |
vector graphics editor |
| 15:24 |
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aditsu |
/format |
| 15:25 |
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aditsu |
it doesn't have a direct counterpart in ms office |
| 15:29 |
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pdurbin |
ok, thanks |
| 15:32 |
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aditsu |
oh, maybe it corresponds to Visio, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_office_suites#Main_components |
| 15:33 |
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pdurbin |
Oh, Visio. Makes sense. |
| 15:34 |
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aditsu |
apparently only a viewer is included in ms office, you have to buy it separately |
| 15:36 |
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pdurbin |
Yeah, I finished reading the Wikipedia page and support seems to be somewhat spotty. It does seem like these formats are used fairly widely but just not in the country I happen to live in (the US). |
| 15:37 |
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pdurbin |
I appreciate being able to open Excel files from Linux using LibreOffice Calc. |
| 15:38 |
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aditsu |
you guys don't even use the metric system, so I don't expect much :p |
| 15:39 |
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pdurbin |
"My car gets 40 rods to the hogshead and that's the way I likes it!" |
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aditsu |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07vdtBMG4Kg |
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pdurbin |
heh |
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kirua |
hi |
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kirua |
i'm looking to schematize xsd (and wsdl) with an app, to have a nice diagram i can put in a document, do you know a (free) app that does that well ? |
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aditsu |
how can you schematize a schema? |
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kirua |
indeed its the wrong word but i think you got xhzt i merzn |
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aditsu |
maybe I got xhzt you merzn, or maybe I didn't :p |
| 21:11 |
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aditsu |
anyway, I'm not aware of a tool to make a diagram from a schema |
| 21:11 |
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aditsu |
but you can search for one |
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aditsu |
kirua: does this help? https://stackoverflow.com/questions/2486758/how-to-visualize-an-xml-schema |
| 21:13 |
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kirua |
yes it does ! thx :) |
| 21:41 |
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aditsu |
hmm.. is a choice in a choice the same as the flattened choice, or am I losing my mind? |
| 21:42 |
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aditsu |
http://relaxng.org/tutorial-20011203.html#IDA5EYR |
| 22:29 |
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aditsu |
so anyway, I got 826 classes now, with no errors :) not finished, but getting closer.. |
| 22:34 |
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aditsu |
a bunch of them are redundant though.. |
