IRC log for #friendlyjava, 2016-05-08

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03:00	nanoz	huh ? pulsar
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07:30	aditsu	pdurbin: interesting, but it doesn't show many details
07:30	aditsu	I was just thinking about adding a "forEach" or some stream stuff to my library
07:32	aditsu	I wrote my code for java 6, but I'm using a functional interface for organizing tasks, so it already benefits from lambdas
07:34	aditsu	heh, my piano playing is not that great :p
07:35	aditsu	ah, I did add a link to the sf blog post, good
07:38	aditsu	I should also work on a new version…
09:51	nanoz	unlucky
10:49	nanoz	i have deployed web service to tomcat now i dont know how to look for wsdl
10:49	nanoz	aditsu pdurbin
10:50	aditsu	sorry, I don't know about that
10:53	nanoz	k found it
10:53	nanoz	http://<hostname>:<port>/<webappname>/<servletEndpoint>?wsdl
12:16	pdurbin	Oh, I hadn't noticed https://sourceforge.net/blog/guest-post-from-the-depeche-project/
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16:10	MaxK	hello
16:10	aditsu	MaxK: hi
16:11	MaxK	Is this the right channel for beginner java questions?
16:11	aditsu	well, it's one right channel, welcome
16:11	MaxK	:)
16:11	MaxK	thanks!
16:12	aditsu	it's not very active, but I'm here now
16:12	MaxK	I want to learn Java. It will be my first programming language so I am looking at some book choices
16:12	MaxK	Head First Java, Java A Beginners Guide, Java The Complete Reference or Intro to Java. Do you have opinions on any of these?
16:13	MaxK	A long shot I know but thought I would ask :)
16:14	aditsu	hm.. I'm not familiar with java books (except very few), I guess the first 2 should be fine for a beginner
16:15	aditsu	pdurbin, pulsar, sfisque: any ideas?
16:15	pulsar	uh
16:15	pulsar	no idea, it has really been a while
16:15	MaxK	I have been reading the Oracle tutorials and they look good but they are not total programmer newbie friendly
16:15	pulsar	there is that german free book, told to be good
16:15	pulsar	let me see
16:16	pulsar	http://openbook.rheinwerk-verlag.de/javainsel9/
16:16	pulsar	no idea if there is an english version available
16:18	aditsu	MaxK: python is probably easier as a first language; anyway, if you have specific questions, you can ask
16:19	MaxK	Yeah I looked at Python but as I want to learn about Android development Java seems to be the best option
16:21	aditsu	MaxK: I also found this reference: Bruce Eckel's "Thinking in Java" (http://www.mindview.net/Books/TIJ) (Get the 3rd edition, the 4th is only freely available up to chapter 7.)
16:23	aditsu	if you want to buy it, 4th edition is fine
16:23	MaxK	thanks :)
16:25	aditsu	note that it's a bit old (and some of the other books probably are too), so it won't include some features added in more recent java versions
16:28	aditsu	Java: A Beginner's Guide has a 2014 edition
16:29	aditsu	apparently it's updated for java 8
16:29	pdurbin	MaxK: how about this... you could link to pages in the tutorial you have questions about and ask us.
16:29	MaxK	aditsu: yeah that is the edition I am looking at
16:29	MaxK	same with The Complete Reference, both are by the same author
16:30	MaxK	pdurbin: thanks I might just do that!
16:30	aditsu	MaxK: anyway, check the reviews
16:31	pdurbin	I've found those tutorials to be pretty nice.
16:32	aditsu	yeah, that's how I really learned java, but I already had programming experience so I don't know how it is for a beginner
16:36	MaxK	So are you guys fulltime java programmers?
16:37	aditsu	kind of.. at least some of us
16:37	pdurbin	I am.
16:45	MaxK	You work exclusively in Java or a mixture of languages?
16:48	aditsu	I use mostly java, but I had a couple of projects in python (and other things in the past)
16:54	MaxK	How you like it?
16:54	MaxK	I have seen some people complain about Java being very verbose but it doesn't look awful in some of the code I have been looking at
16:55	nanoz	java sucks
16:55	MaxK	I think the verbosity is actually pretty handy for a beginner anyway as it means almost everything is pretty easy to understand compared to other languages that have lots of shortcuts so it looks like some alien language
16:56	MaxK	why does it suck in you opinion nanoz ?
17:08	nanoz	my fav all time http://tech.jonathangardner.net/wiki/Why_Java_Sucks
17:09	nanoz	note down gc part :)
17:12	nanoz	i never like this static class and crap !
17:14	nanoz	its not beginner friendly at all
17:18	aditsu	MaxK: I generally like java, yes it's verbose but you can build solid things with it
17:19	MaxK	Yeah I see a lot of people moan about it but if it really did suck that much it wouldn't be used for so much stuff in so many different areas
17:19	aditsu	"garbage collection (GC) has the nasty habit of FREEZING the entire Java process" - that was only true in ancient, medieval times
17:22	aditsu	"Won't cast an int to a long" - false
17:25	aditsu	"Constructors can't call each other" - false
17:26	aditsu	and many other errors, nanoz you shouldn't trust that page
18:03	nanoz	yea
18:39	pdurbin	MaxK: mostly Java right now. I should learn Javascript better. Some Python. In the past I've done Ruby, Perl and PHP. A tiny bit of C.
19:21	pdurbin	nanoz: I thought you liked Java
19:46	nanoz	haha :) nope pdurbin
19:46	nanoz	bye all
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19:51	pdurbin	Java isn't so bad. :)
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