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| 08:14 |  | pulsar | pdurbin: sqlite is one thing, but based on my current gf 3.x experience, why would anyone willingly choose to use apocalypselink? | 
        
| 08:15 |  | pulsar | and i do not mean that in a sarcastic / rhetoric way. | 
        
| 08:31 |  | sfisque | pulsar it is generally easier and desirable to use the "off the shelf" jpa impl in a container than to bundle one with the app. | 
        
| 08:31 |  | pulsar | yes, in the case of glassfish - true. | 
        
| 08:31 |  | pulsar | but that article references tomcat7 + eclipselink | 
        
| 08:31 |  | sfisque | that pretty much translates to,  hibernate on jboss, eclipselink on gf, openjpa on websphere, etc. | 
        
| 08:32 |  | sfisque | well, tomcat has nothing so at that point, it's preference of the blogger | 
        
| 08:32 |  | sfisque | but then, what's the point of jpa on tomcat.  you might as well use a real container then, imo | 
        
| 08:32 |  | pulsar | hence my question. if you have the choice between hibernate and eclipselink | 
        
| 08:33 |  | sfisque | feature set is the only reason i can think of.  hiberante has stuff that eclipselink has not, and vice versa | 
        
| 08:33 |  | sfisque | but if you're leveraging vanilla jpa on top, the impl is meaningless in the long run | 
        
| 08:33 |  | pulsar | in the last project we have run into 2-3 bugs with eclipselink and could not fix that by simply updating the libraries since it was a monolithic gf package | 
        
| 08:33 |  | pulsar | and the kind of the bugs made me wonder why eclipselink is that popular | 
        
| 08:34 |  | sfisque | since it was adopted by GF it's pretty much the "reference impl" now.  but honestly, hibernate is probably the best by maturity level and support | 
        
| 08:34 |  | sfisque | anywho, time for me to hit the hay.  be well and bbl | 
        
| 08:35 |  | pulsar | yeah, matches my experience | 
        
| 08:35 |  | pulsar | you too, gnite! | 
        
| 11:45 |  | pdurbin | pulsar: because eclipselink is the reference implementation, I guess | 
        
| 12:17 |  | pdurbin | anyway, I pushed to a new sqlite branch here. first time I've though about this repo in years: https://github.com/pdurbin/java-jpa-tutorial/branches | 
        
| 12:17 |  | pdurbin | my idea was to have a playground to learn JPA without a lot of dependencies | 
        
| 12:18 |  | pdurbin | (such as glassfish and postgres) | 
        
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