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| 14:11 |
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pulsar_ |
ohboy.. please somebody shoot me. |
| 14:11 |
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pulsar_ |
parentRepository()._findById(getParentId()) |
| 14:11 |
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pulsar_ |
i just had an argument with our developer why i thing that our code hygene / styleguide sucks |
| 14:11 |
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pulsar_ |
i think even. |
| 14:12 |
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pulsar_ |
at least there seems to be a consensus about upper/lower/camelcase. |
| 14:29 |
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mr_lou |
Judging from News and such.... I've gotten the impression that coders generally focus too much on "code hygene" compared to actually producing stuff that works. |
| 14:47 |
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pulsar_ |
mr_lou: depends. in this team we have 4-7 developers |
| 14:47 |
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pulsar_ |
so some common ground is necessary |
| 14:48 |
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pulsar_ |
for instance i will be looking for readable properties accessible via bean patterns, and if some dev decides this is obsolete and we do not need a bean pattern - as long it is widely communicated and accepted as a general styleguide i am perfectly fine with that |
| 14:49 |
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pulsar_ |
but this line i posted contains 3 different approaches of which two are fighting eachother. |
| 14:50 |
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pulsar_ |
considering this is a 1.5 years project with many developers involved some code hygene is required and abominations like that are to be avoided. |
| 14:55 |
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mr_lou |
3 different approaches? I see 2... what's the last one? |
| 14:57 |
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pulsar_ |
_method() |
| 14:57 |
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pulsar_ |
property() |
| 14:57 |
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pulsar_ |
getProperty() |
| 14:58 |
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pulsar_ |
one could argue that _ is necessary do differentiate from property calls, but that was not the reason for this prefix behind the scenes |
| 14:59 |
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pulsar_ |
it was to work around some polymorphism issues i guess. not even to signal some "pseudo private" methods. |
| 15:01 |
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mr_lou |
Well, we do agree that any team has to agree on using the same code style. |
| 15:01 |
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mr_lou |
Doesn't matter that much what style though. |
| 15:01 |
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mr_lou |
Mixing styles is a no no. |
| 15:01 |
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pulsar_ |
exactly. |
| 15:02 |
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pulsar_ |
but this code line is actually from live code |
| 15:02 |
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pulsar_ |
and i had a dispute with the architect why i should stfu and write it like that. |
| 15:03 |
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mr_lou |
I found the solution many years ago: |
| 15:03 |
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mr_lou |
Don't work in a team. Work alone. |
| 15:03 |
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mr_lou |
I get stuff done much faster now. |
| 15:04 |
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pulsar_ |
yeah, i need to learn that ppl are taking this personal when they occupy a lead role |
| 15:04 |
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pulsar_ |
when i say "i think this code is crap" they understand "i think your work is crap" |
| 15:04 |
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pulsar_ |
had to clarify this today |
| 15:04 |
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pulsar_ |
i hope it helps. |
| 15:06 |
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mr_lou |
Everyone takes everythign personal. |
| 15:06 |
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pulsar_ |
nah, at some point you should grow out of this |
| 15:06 |
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mr_lou |
You can't visit a forum today, and discuss a certain topic, without a lot of people taking it personal that you have a different opinion than they do. |
| 15:07 |
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mr_lou |
Yea... you'd think so. When I'm using various forums, I'm thinking... "But... these people are same age as me.... why are they behaving like kids?". |
| 15:07 |
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mr_lou |
Never changes. |
| 15:07 |
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pulsar_ |
some but not all. |
| 15:07 |
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mr_lou |
There are some on all forums. |
| 15:07 |
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pulsar_ |
but i agree, these some tend to group in clusters on forums. |
| 15:09 |
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mr_lou |
But I'm thankful that I can work alone. |
| 15:09 |
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mr_lou |
I get to decide everything. |
| 15:09 |
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mr_lou |
And the result is several systems running and working great. |
| 15:09 |
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pulsar_ |
i usually work on projects too big for one dev |
| 15:09 |
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mr_lou |
Too many chefs.... just don't work. |
| 15:09 |
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mr_lou |
What kind of projects? |
| 15:10 |
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pulsar_ |
two main categories, enterprise "portal" apps, so intranet stuff with b2b / b2c stuff in the backend |
| 15:10 |
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pulsar_ |
and more exciting big data stuff |
| 15:12 |
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pulsar_ |
technology buzzwords currently on my table: angular js, spring, hadoop, hbase, nodejs, rest, puppet |
| 15:12 |
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pulsar_ |
among many others, but this should give you an idea ;) |
| 15:14 |
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mr_lou |
Since 2010 I've been developing the one system we use at work for storing customer data, customer orders, internal tasks, time registration on customer orders and internal tasks using different time-categories, keeping track of each employees time-account, ressources to use for orders, history entries for customers or orders, show statistics of all kinds. |
| 15:14 |
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mr_lou |
A typical project that would typically require a group of developers. |
| 15:14 |
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mr_lou |
But it would have taken much longer to develop then, is my claim. |
| 15:14 |
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pulsar_ |
always depends on the team. |
| 15:15 |
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pulsar_ |
i have a couple of guys i am used to work with since... 15 years |
| 15:15 |
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mr_lou |
Of course. You can get lucky, but it's a rare case in my experience. |
| 15:15 |
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pulsar_ |
so usually we have not much to discuss to death |
| 15:15 |
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mr_lou |
Yea, gotta stick with those you do work well with. |
| 15:15 |
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pulsar_ |
except some greenhorns doing architecture for the first time and being very defensive about their desicions ;) |
| 15:17 |
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mr_lou |
Not their fault. They've been taught to do it a certain way. |
| 15:17 |
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mr_lou |
And there's no wrong way. There's only "wrong to do it different ways". |
| 15:18 |
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pulsar_ |
yes, as i said. i need to learn that ppl can take critique like that personal and defend a stupid position just to prove their point / authority. |
| 15:19 |
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pulsar_ |
you can deescalate that quite easy if you are aware of that. i am not used to that anymore as most ppl i work with have a healthy self esteem in terms of code skills and take critique as a challenge to improve their skills and not an attack on their authority. |
| 15:21 |
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mr_lou |
It's not easy. |
| 15:21 |
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mr_lou |
We once has a newcomer join the web-section. |
| 15:22 |
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mr_lou |
She'd been taught by her teacher, that doing websites in Flash was a good idea. |
| 15:22 |
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mr_lou |
So I said: "Doing websites in Flash is not a good idea. We'll not be doing websites in Flash herE". |
| 15:22 |
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mr_lou |
And she said: "Yes it is!" |
| 15:22 |
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mr_lou |
She was so convincing that I noticed my boss doubting my words. |
| 15:23 |
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pulsar_ |
but she is an expert and can do anything ;) |
| 15:23 |
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mr_lou |
Right |
| 15:23 |
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mr_lou |
Work alone. Problem solved. |
| 15:23 |
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mr_lou |
:-> |
| 15:23 |
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pulsar_ |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKorP55Aqvg |
| 15:23 |
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pulsar_ |
been there, done that btw. |
| 15:23 |
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pulsar_ |
one reason i do not work for huge companies anymore. |
| 15:26 |
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mr_lou |
lol |
| 15:26 |
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mr_lou |
Looks like a very familiar situation! :-) |
| 15:26 |
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mr_lou |
Yea, been to such meetings many times. |
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