IRC log for #wonderstudy, 2013-05-16

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20:51		Topic for #wonderstudy is now from wonder to study: http://wonderstudy.github.io \| logs at http://irclog.greptilian.com/wonderstudy/today \| http://irclog.spacecompute.com/wonderstudy
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21:26	melodie	hi
21:26	pdurbin	melodie: hi!
21:26	melodie	pdurbin ?
21:27	pydsigner	Yeah, we're waiting for the staff conference to end
21:27	melodie	the only one who can't logout is TechDesk because he is logged in from his home and is not returning there before tomorrow evening GMT+2 : tomorrow evening he will be able to quit from here
21:27	melodie	ok
21:28	melodie	pdurbin am I needed here?
21:28	pdurbin	melodie: while you were away erry said this channel we started looks to be on-topic for freenode
21:29	melodie	what does this mean?
21:29	melodie	"on-topic for freenode" ?
21:30	pdurbin	melodie: "As a program of a not-for-profit entity, freenode was established to provide resources to specific communities for activities which advance the public good." -- http://freenode.net/policy.shtml#ontopic
21:30	pdurbin	that's my understanding anyway
21:32	pydsigner	Could TechDesk log in from where-ever he is right now?
21:32	pdurbin	melodie: I would say we are trying to advance the public good :)
21:32	pydsigner	He could grab back his nick, then quit.
21:32	pydsigner	I guess you have to contact him first :-/
21:33	pdurbin	pydsigner: poor TechDesk. it's my fault for not registering this channel right away
21:33	melodie	pydsigner I just asked him on another chan #cyber-tux, I hope he could get the message
21:33	pydsigner	OK
21:34	pydsigner	Shoot, he has the HideMail flag
21:34	melodie	he was in as TechDesk__ : but he quit
21:34	melodie	so this will be tomorrow evening
21:34	pydsigner	So we can't send him an email easily
21:35	melodie	he will be back at his home tomorrow... he told me we can count on him to come right on here to logout
21:38	melodie	pdurbin I just read what "on-topic" is
21:38	pdurbin	melodie: do you think we are on topic?
21:38	melodie	then I guess #linuxvillage also is on-topic (we are registered, so no problem there)
21:38	melodie	yes I do
21:38	pdurbin	good. me too :)
21:38	melodie	I didn't know about that page until now
21:38	pdurbin	melodie: do you want so say a few words about what this channel is about?
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21:39	pdurbin	earlier I said, "we share information about free online university courses and similar educational audio and video (conference talks, podcasts, etc.)"
21:39	pdurbin	and I pointed out our website: http://wonderstudy.github.io
21:39	pdurbin	melodie: thanks for the updates to the website, by the way :)
21:39	melodie	the present channel is about learning online of all kinds, courses, opencourseware, videos and helping each other finding the right courses as well as having direct help to learn better: is that all correct?
21:39	melodie	pdurbin did you like what I added?
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21:46	pdurbin_m	yes
21:46	melodie	thank you!
21:48	pdurbin_m	you were able to edit from the browser, right?
21:49	melodie	yes sir
21:50	pdurbin_m	good. hope it was easy
21:50	melodie	yes, I followed the example of your method
21:50	melodie	just mimic
21:51	melodie	I noticed the preview tab, and the code tab...
21:51	pdurbin_m	monkey see, monkey do :)
21:51	pydsigner	Hehe
21:53	melodie	I have read that somewhere, isn't it the first words of a programming course?
21:53	pdurbin_m	it's how I code... :)
21:56	melodie	nice
21:56	melodie	it makes me happy to think that soon it will be possible to learn faster thanks to this one channel
21:57	melodie	with the people helping each other around specific questions
21:57	pdurbin_m	yep
21:57	pydsigner	Is text format stuff desired also, or just multimedia?
21:58	pdurbin_m	sure
21:59	melodie	pydsigner I don't understand the question
22:04	pdurbin_m	melodie: at http://wonderstudy.github.io we emphasize audio and video, not text
22:05	pdurbin_m	which I think is valuable. text is easier to assess if it is any good or not
22:06	melodie	I just scratch my head
22:06	melodie	let me re read the page
22:06	melodie	perhaps I'll come to understand
22:07	melodie	pydsigner do you want to try to explain me?
22:07	melodie	I re read and still don't get it... :-(
22:08	melodie	<pdurbin_m> melodie: at http://wonderstudy.github.io we emphasize audio and video, not text
22:09	melodie	where do you see that we emphasize audio and video ? the links don't show what they lead to, do they ?
22:09	pydsigner	Hmm, I don't see it anymore
22:10	pydsigner	I was readying pdurbin's comment, "we share information about free online university courses and similar educational audio and video (conference talks, podcasts, etc.)"
22:10	pydsigner	* reading
22:11	pdurbin	audio is what I like. I wish I had more time to watch videos and read but I often don't :(
22:11	pdurbin	melodie: I would say we are trying to emphasize free content, wouldn't you?
22:12	melodie	yes, this is it
22:12	melodie	and the most important I think is the interactive free courses, because they make the learning more attractive
22:12	pdurbin	pydsigner: so if the text is free, if it's just out there, sure, I would link to it
22:12	melodie	than just reading docs and pdf books
22:15	pdurbin	melodie: I think recommendations are important. in ##programming last night someone was asking for free courses to watch. http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/electrical-engineering-and-computer-science/6-033-computer-system-engineering-spring-2009/ was mentioned and the person asked, "have you watched it? is it good?"
22:15	pdurbin	and the reply was, "yes, it's good, though I've only watched a little. it covered linking very well."
22:15	melodie	and did you answer this last question?
22:15	pdurbin	nope
22:16	pdurbin	but
22:16	melodie	who did?
22:16	pdurbin	I added "covers linking" to http://wiki.greptilian.com/podcasts
22:16	pdurbin	since I already had that course listed there :)
22:16	melodie	what is covers linking?
22:16	pdurbin	now I'm more motivated to watch it!
22:16	pdurbin	this is linking: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linker_%28computing%29
22:16	pdurbin	"covers" just means "talks about"
22:17	pdurbin	linking is discussed in that course
22:18	melodie	pdurbin is that what the prelink program does?
22:18	pdurbin	hmm, well, I think prelink loads stuff in memory so it loads faster
22:19	pdurbin	from the man page I would say it is related
22:19	pdurbin	hence the name :)
22:19	pdurbin	if you compile software by hand you'll see object files
22:20	pdurbin	which get "linked" together into the binary that you execute
22:20	pdurbin	the binary could be a command, such as grep
22:20	melodie	then...
22:21	melodie	I try to figure out what the libs become when I uninstall a program which it has been linked to
22:21	pdurbin	melodie: have I confused you? I'm sorry
22:21	melodie	I suppose as long as it is shared with another program nothing happens ?
22:21	melodie	no you have not
22:21	melodie	you just brought me to thinking of the inner life of these programs
22:22	pdurbin	some objects are shared. seeing foo.so is common. "so" stands for "shared object"
22:24	melodie	oh good
22:24	melodie	so so ! :D
22:25	pdurbin	:)
22:26	pdurbin	comme ci, comme ça
22:27	pdurbin	"so so" :)
22:30	melodie	did you copy paste your "ça"? You are supposed to not have the ç on your US qwerty keyboard :D
22:30	pydsigner	Lol
22:31	melodie	pydsigner he is very clever! ^_^
22:32	pdurbin	I cheated. I copied it. I have a "normal" keyboard ;)
22:32	melodie	lol
22:34	melodie	you can get it from your keyboard too probably. This would be how:
22:34	melodie	in the console, you would type "setxkbmap fr"
22:34	melodie	then hiit the key 9
22:34	melodie	once done to get your keyboard again, type setxkbmap us
22:34	melodie	done
22:34	melodie	and 0 would produce a 'à'
22:34	pdurbin	ç
22:34	pdurbin	zoz
22:34	pdurbin	i mean ... "wow"
22:34	melodie	^_^
22:35	melodie	with the keybaord under Linux we can also have accents on high case
22:36	melodie	À Ê È É
22:36	pydsigner	It didn't work for me :(
22:36	pdurbin	seems like so much trouble
22:36	melodie	and special characters such as Œ œ æ Æ
22:36	pdurbin	who needs all those accents? ;)
22:36	melodie	to say "eggs":
22:36	melodie	œufs
22:36	melodie	under Windows not that nice:
22:36	melodie	oeufs
22:37	melodie	see? The former one is the right way to type it
22:37	melodie	about the online courses
22:37	melodie	I have registered to the cs50 mailing list
22:37	melodie	and a guy posts to ask about how to install a table for special characters, because he is French and can't type the signs : [r(
22:37	melodie	signs:
22:38	melodie	[{ and ] }
22:38	melodie	he just didn't know that under Linux we just need to use the Alt-gr key for that
22:38	pydsigner	That would be a problem!
22:38	pdurbin_m	melodie: have you noticed how international the cs50 mailing list is?
22:38	melodie	once I had explained: he didn't need to install a table of characters anymore!
22:38	melodie	yes I did
22:41	melodie	there are many people who start with "I am not very good in English..."
22:42	melodie	with the right setup we can do fun things with the keyboard
22:42	melodie	“” : en quotes
22:42	melodie	«french quotes»
22:42	melodie	signs such as →
22:42	melodie	…
22:42	melodie	↓
22:42	melodie	←
22:43	melodie	↑
22:43	melodie	™
22:43	melodie	⁽™⁾
22:43	melodie	©
22:43	melodie	Â
22:43	melodie	¢
22:43	melodie	and so on...
22:44	melodie	the line of the middle with Alt-gr+right-shift:
22:44	melodie	Ä„Ë‚¥ÐÜÏĿÖÙ
22:44	melodie	ÆÂ¢ÊÞŸÛÎŒÔ
22:44	melodie	this was the upper line
22:45	melodie	±≠
22:46	melodie	I didn't try with a US keyboard setup to US :)
22:46	melodie	I have a US keyboard on a laptop but I always set it up to fr
22:51	pdurbin_m	melodie: you scared him away ;)
22:52	melodie	impossible
22:52	pdurbin_m	heh
22:53	melodie	even when I try to scare someone I just make them laugh...
22:53	melodie	:p
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23:03	slystone	Hi!
23:04	slystone	melodie, pdurbin: !ping
23:05	melodie	hi slystone
23:06	melodie	everyone here will be asked to leave at some time, in order for pdurbin to regain the control of the chan : TechDesk is stucked here until tomorrow evening because he is logged from home, but not at home
23:06	melodie	slystone apart from that anything new?
23:08	slystone	melodie: well, not much. What you said I already knew, I was just wondering what was going on since some staff was in here.
23:08	slystone	melodie: how are you?
23:08	melodie	fine thanks, and you ?
23:08	pdurbin_m	melodie: or they can make one of us an op. then we can register the channel
23:08	melodie	may we have a short talk privately?
23:09	slystone	Fine! I'm just back from rollerblading, it's getting pretty cold.
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