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jackalista |
we were curious about the jersey 2 project, based on the success of jersey 1, but the project appears... not so healthy, bug fixes taking a long time, not much activity, etc. |
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jackalista |
any intel on that project? is oracle not supporting it properly? |
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jackalista |
there's even a thread in the users mailing list asking if the project is dead. |
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jackalista |
curious what people are using |
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jackalista |
we are thinking about spring |
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whartung |
the life of Jersey 2 is likely directly tied to the health of the JAX-RS spec, since it's the reference implementation. |
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whartung |
Oracle seems to be dialing back support of OSS projects. My perception is their doing minimum staffing, and mimimum effort. |
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whartung |
that's just my opionion |
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introspectr3 |
Say I have a method that performs an action (vs fetching data), but does not use any post data |
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introspectr3 |
should that be GET? or POST? |
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introspectr3 |
(i realize it'll work either way, but best practices) |
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whartung |
POST |
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introspectr3 |
so whartung, get for retrieving, post for actions? |
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whartung |
yes |
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introspectr3 |
thank you. |
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whartung |
the key point |
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whartung |
is that GET is Idempotent -- i.e. it doesn't change things |
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whartung |
you can GET all day long and "nothing changes" |
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whartung |
POST doesn't have that limitation |
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whartung |
if you POST over and over, who know what may happen |
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whartung |
see that? |
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introspectr3 |
yes i do, much clearer now |
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introspectr3 |
appreciated! |
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whartung |
yw |
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pdurbin |
is Jersey 2 simply... done? feature complete for the current JAX-RS spec? |
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pdurbin |
ah, here's the thread: [Jersey] Is this project dead? https://java.net/projects/jersey/lists/users/archive/2014-11/message/49 |
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pdurbin |
I dunno... a lot of other activity on that list too. A fair amount anyway. |
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trygvis |
pdurbin: hm, that kinds sucks |
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trygvis |
but, I'm not sure if it is really important for people not using jee. there are many similar and useful frameworks like it |
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pdurbin |
trygvis: have you tried http://sparkjava.com ? |
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trygvis |
hm, no. haven't seen it before |
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trygvis |
we're still on spring mvc |
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trygvis |
but we really don't need the flexibility and stuff we get from either spring mvc or jax-rs |
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trygvis |
looks sort of neat, at least for our angular apps |
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_ollie |
trygvis: what was the original question? |
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13:11 < pdurbin> trygvis: have you tried http://sparkjava.com ? |
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cute |
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jackalista |
thanks for the comments, much appreciated |
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jackalista |
re: jersey 2, et al |
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pdurbin |
jackalista: so are you going to use jersey? |
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jackalista |
well, we did an initial implementation but had a bunch of infra like issues with jersey 2, especially as we are primarily a spring shop, the integration with spring was problematic |
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jackalista |
we resolved it but have become a little concerned about the viaqbility of tyhe project |
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jackalista |
*viability |
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pdurbin |
I thought all these Java EE implementations are supposed to be compatible. |
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jackalista |
we may bail to spring mvc or elsewhere for java based rest |
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jackalista |
not clear yet |
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jackalista |
well, I got on the jersey 2 mailing list and it looks like oracle was specifically neglecting spring support in favor of making the stuff run on weblogic, which is a very heavyweight framework |
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jackalista |
so we had all kinds of trouble with the spring integration, which caused us to screw around with that far longer than we liked |
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jackalista |
also, it looks like the de/serialization facilities of spring mvc are superior, but I am looking into that now |
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jackalista |
we are doing residuals processing which ivolves a farily complex data model and jersey's support / use of jackson is also a pain in the ass |
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jackalista |
looks like spring's facilities are more robust, which I'm also seeking to confirm |
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jackalista |
we also need to make some changes to our domain model, etc., but don't want to screw around with infra, we have lots of biz logic to write |
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pdurbin |
jackalista: did you look at Gson? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2378402/jackson-vs-gson |
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jackalista |
I've used CXF way back in the past too, and never had any trouble with it, and Dave Diephouse (sp?) is spring friendly so never had these proboems wityh it |
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jackalista |
it is also jax-rs |
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jackalista |
it just looks like oracle is failing jersey 2, which is kinda sad, a few of the core dev's also left, etc. Oracle is a long shot from Sun, esseantially, is the take I'm getting |
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jackalista |
al ittle bit, but not in depth. are people using GSON more successfully with jersey 2? |
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pdurbin |
I just know we're looking into Gson |
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pdurbin |
whartung: what do you use? |
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jackalista |
thx for the comments, much appreciated! |
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jackalista |
I am looking at the link on GSON/Jackson now |
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jackalista |
spring also uses jackson, but provides a higher level abstracdtion for complex data models/domain models, it appears, while also using jackson. I'm seeking to confirm that |
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jackalista |
pls pardon my typing |
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whartung |
we use gson mostly here pdurbin |
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whartung |
at home I've got a hacked up version of the json.org set |
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pdurbin |
dunno what that is... "json.org set" |
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* pdurbin |
looks at http://json.org |
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pdurbin |
whartung: what is the json.org set? |
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whartung |
they just have a json class bundle they publish |
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whartung |
mostly for creating your own json rather than object serializtion |
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pdurbin |
this? http://www.json.org/java/ |
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whartung |
yea |
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pdurbin |
ok, so https://github.com/douglascrockford/JSON-java |
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whartung |
yea |
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pdurbin |
for creating my own JSON I'm using JSR 353: Java API for JSON Processing https://jsonp.java.net |
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whartung |
I've not seen that before |
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pdurbin |
it's part of Java EE 7 |
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whartung |
I had some specific needs, not that I can recall them right now, so it was easier to just beat on json.org than anything else |
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